As Giants fans celebrate another Super Bowl victory, local officials plan for 2014 championship to be held in Meadowlands
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HUDSON COUNTY AND BEYOND -- Hoboken resident Eli Manning and the New York Giants beat the New England Patriots in Super Bowl 46 Sunday night, 21-17. And while the celebrating in North Jersey will continue this week, local officials are planning for more than 150,000 ticket-holders, tourists, members of the media, and others to converge on this area two years from now for Super Bowl XLVIII (48) in 2014, to be held in the Meadowlands.

How are they planning, and what do they expect? Read the exclusive story that ran in this past weekend's editions of the Hudson Reporter.

Meanwhile, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie has suggested a parade for the Giants in New Jersey, even though New York is holding one on Tuesday. Where should it be held? Comment below!
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DancingRudy
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February 07, 2012
Bobo and I are asking questions because unfortunately for Bobo Mason's ad didn't say "couldn't the city have accomplished the same thing cheaper without sending 2 employees on a trip to Indianapolis to find out what the problems/opportunities were." While I think the answer is clearly no I think that's a fair question and a sensible conversation. Unfortunately, it doesn't make for a particularly effective political attack ad.

What the ad said was that Zimmer had sent two political supporters on a junket to the Superbowl while making unauthorized use of intellectual property belonging to the NFL and the New England Patriots. While this also didn't make for a particularly effective attack ad, it seems that Mrs. Mason's consultants thought it would.

If the Hoboken Reporter had fact checked as it does with its letters section, it would have required Mrs. Mason to at a minimum, change the phrase "political supporter" to "city employee" and to change the phrase "to the superbowl" to "to Indianapolis just before the SuperBowl."

They did not. The language difference is not inconsequential - Mason lied about the facts specifically because the real facts did not work as well in her ad.

Does anybody have any experience with placing political ads in the Reporter? If they never fact check ads then I think their policy is flawed but the omission here would at least be consistent. If, however, they have, as I suspect, selectively fact checked political ads as they do with their letters page then the question is raised - did the Hoboken Repiorter fact check badly? Or did they not fact check at all?

And more importantly, what will they do next time.
Yanks1977
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February 07, 2012
seems like bob keeps asking one set of questions and you are asking another and neither of you is going to agree with each other anyway, and yours are rhetorical, will check out that other blog.
WESTY
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February 07, 2012
If you go to Hudson Mile Square View blog you will get answers.

Roman Brice made the calls did the work.
DancingRudy
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February 07, 2012
Bobo - since you are answering questions specifically directed at Hoboken Reporter editorial staff, I will assume you fit within that category.

1. "The Super Bowl is a celebration not a game?" That was a joke right? I sure hope so because the last time I looked the Giants won a football game and the Pats lost a football game. They didn't get together in Indianapolis to celebrate together. Are you saying the Hoboken Reporter facvt checked and was aware that the individuals would be returning before the game but decided that the false statement was nevertheless true based on the Hoboken Reporter's proprietary definition of the word "Super Bowl?" You've got to be kidding!!

2. Did the Hoboken Reporter ask Mrs. Mason for the names of the individuals and for substantiation that they were "political supporters" as opposed to City employees? Or does the Hoboken Reporter have its own proprietary definition of the word "political supporter" to the effect that a "political supporter" is not just someone who "supports you politically" but includes everyone who works for the City who is not known to oppose the Mayor.

3. Does the Hoboken Reporter also have its own proprietary definition of intellectual property which doesn't just include intellectual property belonging to Mrs. Mason but any intellectual property she chooses to use in an ad?

I'm glad your done - the questions are rhetorical and the Hoboken Reporters failure to, at a minimum, excercise good judgement and consistent standards here pretty much speaks for itself.

BobindaBoken
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February 07, 2012
the superbowl is a celebration and not just a game. if not then why is are we even having this discussion. we will have to disagree. also you write, "The issue is not whether a discussion over whether the trip was appropriate or not". maybe that is not your issue but it is legitimate for me to ask. have a nice day, i am done here.
BobindaBoken
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February 07, 2012
quoting yourself repeatedly does not make it any more true. please stop evading these questions,

who went out there?

why couldn't they stay here and save money and get the info from meadowlands people?

DancingRudy
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February 07, 2012
Bobo - asking questions instead of answering them doesn't make the questions go away either. Since you have forgotten the questions, I'll repeat them for you:

1. Did the Hoboken Reporter fact check the statement that the City had sent "political supporters" of the Mayor (that's different that City officials)to the super bowl (that's a football game not a city). If I made a statement like that in a letter to the editor, Caren would ask me to supply documentation before she would allow the letter to run. Did the Hoboken Reporter make such a request of Mrs. Mason? If not why not?

It also appears that the ad may have involved the misuse of intellectual property belonging to others. Did the Hoboken Reporter ask whether the necessary authorizations were received before running the ad? If not why not?

Please do not respond with a bunch of silly non-sequitors. The issue is not whether a discussion over whether the trip was appropriate or not is a legitimate issue for discourse.

The issue is the ad itself which based on the excellent journalism appearing on MSV appears to include 2 untrue statements - that the individuals were "political supporters" of the mayor and that they were "sent to the super bowl," and it uses intellectual property that does not belong to Mrs. Mason.

The Hoboken Reporter apparently missed the intellectual property issue and failed to fact check the ad - a surprising double standard given how scrupulous they are about fact checking letters to the editor.

Does this double standard reflect political bias? Or does it reflect the fact that $1,000 check will buy you out of the fact checking process?

If you don't work for the Hoboken Reporter then you are not the right person to answer these questions. Maybe Al or Caren can chime in. Did they ask the question? If they did do they stand behind the statements? It is not my job as reader to fact check - its their job as editors and they do it aggressively on the letters page.

WESTY
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February 07, 2012
Again "Mrs. Mason's ad was untrue and unethical"

Roman Brice's interview today with Councilwoman Giattino's efforts to bring part of the 2014 Super Bowl businessto Hoboken on his blog Hudson Mile Square View answers the questions raised by Mrs. Mason's defenders trying to do some political damage control.

WESTY
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February 07, 2012
It would be a boon to Hoboken business if Hoboken could become the 2014 NFL Super Bowl Village.

I have read that the W Hotel is already fully booked for the that time period.

BobindaBoken
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February 07, 2012
you know that's not what he said rudy. he said the opposite in fact. i notice you and westy still haven't said what in the ad is NOT true. super bowl week isn't just defined by the game as anon noted. the employees did go. so since you think the ad is untrue then tell us

who were the people who went

why did they need to take a junket to the midwest instead of say getting a report from meadowlands officials (the superbowl is not being held in hoboken in 2014 you know). don't keep us in suspense since you claim to know. so far i hear crickets.

you arent denying they went, and the days leading up to the celebrationg are part of it.
DancingRudy
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February 07, 2012
So anonymous (what a clever name) your argument is "sure, Mason's ad was relete with untrue statements, but so what? If she had told the truth, which she didn't, that would be bad to so its OK that the Hoboken Reporter didn't fact check and let her lie."

Perhaps the quality of your reasoning is the reason why you choose to be "anonymous."

What will be entertaining is listening to Mike "Jello shot" Russo of Katrina/Andriani fame go into a tizzy about "junkets."
anony_mous
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February 06, 2012
So the city of Hoboken sent people on a junket to Indianapolis during Super Bowl weekend but stopped short of buying them tickets to the game. Well, they really showed restraint, didn't they? Full-fare airline tickets and hotel rooms that most likely cost 3 times what they normally do a junket make. We should be grateful they did not submit a bill from the scalper!

As anyone who has attended the Super Bowl knows, it is one big party for days before the event. NO ONE conducts business, especially the NFL people. What a joke.
BobindaBoken
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February 06, 2012
You ask this question: "who were the people involved. Were they City employees sent on City business ?"

SO you are telling us that you don't even know the answer but you are sure the ad was wrong?

DancingRudy
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February 06, 2012
Bobinda - let's test your assertion that the ad was true shall we?

The ad says that the people sent were "political supporters of the mayor." Who were the people involved. Were they City employees sent on City business or were they "political supporters?" Did they contribute money to or volunteer for the Mayor's political campaigns? What makes them "political supporters" Did the HR even ask? Is the Ad's statement true or false? Did the HR fact check that statement at all?

The ad says that the individuals went "to the super bowl." The super bowl is a football game, not the city of Indianapolis. Did the City pay for people to go to the game? Did they go to the game at all regardless of who paid? If the answer is no then the ad is untrue. Did the HR fact check this statement? If not why not?

If press accounts are correct, the ad is not only incredibly stupid but is entirely false and the HR either didn't fact check or knew it was false and didn't care.

The HR is famous for "fact checking" letters to the editor sent by "reformers." Does it apply a different standard to Mrs. Mason when she drops $1,000 or so on an ad. That's a pretty cheap price to sell a newspaper's integrity for don't you think?
WESTY
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February 06, 2012
Mrs. Mason ad was untrue and un-ethical.

If Mrs. Mason wishes to live and oporate in the margins of veracity that too speaks much more about her charecter or lack of character,

While it is hard times for many it is obviously not for the Masons who contine to speend large amounts of money on thses sorts of political attacks.

Your assumptions that this trip could have been handled on the telephone is just that your assumption. Aface to face meeting with those involved in producing a event of this size and complexity that will play out in 2014 here in NJ is a worthwhile idea.

I am under no illusions that Mrs. Mason will apologize for her disinenous ad or that Ray Smith and the Hoboken Reporter will follow up on it. However it would be the correct thing to do.

BobindaBoken
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February 06, 2012
hilarious. good job not answering the question. why was it necessary to take a junket to indianapolis for superbowl prep? in tough times those same people could have had the meeting here and learned what happened in ind. for the superbowl or did a phone conference and learned the same stuff couldnt they westy? who were these 2 employees or officials who just had to go to ind to see for themselves? the word is JUNKET.

also why would ray smith have to investigate an ad that is true. you havent denied that they went. maybe you can tell us what in the ad was untruthful.
WESTY
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February 06, 2012
You are totally incorrect. Mrs. Mason's ad was a entirely disingenous political attack ad and intentionally mistated that people were being sent to the Super bowl and not a pre-planning business meeting for the 2014 Super bowl which will be held in NJ.

I can understand why som political damage control for Mrs. Mason is needed at this point but making additional untrue statements is certainly not helping her.

Mrs. Mason should appologize for her lack of truthfulness and ethics and Ray Smith should investigate the veracity of the ad Mrs. Mason paid the Hoboken Reporter to run.

I doubt ether has the courage to to so.
BobindaBoken
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February 06, 2012
that is a strange comment westy, the ad made it clear they were flown to ind to help plan for superbowl. but did they need to fly out there in these tough econ times to do that or could they have done the same planning here and learned how it went? it is worth answering the question.
WESTY
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February 05, 2012
Congatulations to Eli Manning and teh Giants on their secons Super Bowl win.

Intresting who this story connects to Councilwoman Mason's latest anti-Zimmer poltical attack ad that ran in this weeks Hoboken Reporter.

Had she or her staff simply asked why those City staffers went to indy she would have known they went to plan for the 2014 Super Bowl and saved alot of time effort and money.

But then it might have been more important to her to put out her negative message than be constrained by the truth.

Does the Hoboken Reporter fact check the ads they get from Mrs. Mason ?

Will Mrs. Mason now appologize and print a retraction ?

WESTY
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February 05, 2012
Sorry for the typos

Congratulations to Eli Manning and the Giants on their second Super Bowl Win..............