How far is too far?
Lawsuit claims that Hoboken bloggers and internet commenters defamed local couple
by Al Sullivan
Reporter staff writer
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In a case that could have far-reaching implications, two Hoboken activists are suing two Hoboken-based bloggers and 10 unnamed internet commenters for allegedly making “false and defamatory” posts about them.

Hoboken resident Lane Bajardi and wife Kimberly Cardinal Bajardi filed the lawsuit on July 26 in Hudson County Superior Court seeking $2 million in damages, naming Hoboken-based bloggers Roman Brice and Nancy Pincus as well as 10 unnamed defendants – listed in the court documents by their on-line screen names – for allegedly posting remarks that allegedly interfered with the careers and future employment of the Bajardi family.

Lane Bajardi is employed by WINS 1010 and has been a radio reporter for many years.

Brice and Pincus’ blogs frequently focus on Hoboken politics and government, favoring the administration of Mayor Dawn Zimmer and taking aim at Zimmer’s critics, including Bajardi. Brice’s blog is known as the “Hoboken Horse” blog, while Pincus’ blog is called “Grafix Avenger.”

The lawsuit includes a letter that Pincus allegedly e-mailed to Bajardi’s employer in January of 2012, saying that he spreads “bigotry and intolerance” in Hoboken as a political operative.

The lawsuit also includes copies of posts that were made on the internet by the “Grafix Avenger” referencing the Bajardis’ child, who is a toddler.

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The lawsuit has the potential to become a national issue.

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The posts about the toddler can still be found in the comments section of a local news web site. The same remarks were posted by “Grafix Avenger” three times in one morning under an article about Zimmer’s state of the union address in January, an article that doesn’t reference the Bajardis.

Pincus, besides blogging, is a member of the Hoboken Zoning Board, allied with City Hall.

Bajardi has no positions on city boards but has been a supporter of one of Zimmer’s most outspoken political opponents, Councilwoman Beth Mason. He also came to a Board of Education meeting in 2010 to publicly complain about the graphics on Pincus’ blog, including one of school board candidates in a punch bowl with floating turds.

Free speech issues

Scores of stories and comments against the Bajardis have been posted on the blogs and in the comments sections of internet news sites for more than a year, some referring to their personal appearance and personal lives, others including photos of Lane Bajardi, and in one case, a photo appeared on Pincus’ blog of the couple’s residence in downtown Hoboken.

The defamation suit cites numerous instances in which the comments and blog posts alleged that Lane Bajardi has engaged in various criminal behaviors. In the suit, Bajardi said the claims are all untrue.

Last week, the bloggers charged on their blogs and in comments to the media that the lawsuit is attempting to silence their free speech.

“This is a malicious use of the courts to suppress the political speech of the two most prominent reform political bloggers and all political discourse from the reform side,” said Pincus in an e-mail to the Reporter.

Those allied with Zimmer and against past administrations consider themselves reformers. Zimmer replaced a mayor who was arrested for taking bribes in 2009.

Councilwoman Beth Mason has been allied with Zimmer’s three other opponents on the nine-member City Council. Mason said that the nature of the posts on line targeting the Bajardis is “bullying.”

“This was cyberbullying,” Mason said, detailing the high number of posts on the websites against the Bajardis. “This is repeated behavior that went on for years and became more and more intense.”

Last week, Mayor Zimmer was asked if she had any comment about the suit, and about the fact that one of the named bloggers is on the Zoning Board. Pincus was appointed by the City Council majority that is allied with Zimmer.

Zimmer said, “I don’t really know about the litigation so I don’t have any comment. I couldn’t possibly comment on something that I haven’t seen. Plus, it doesn’t involve me so I don't think it’s really appropriate for me to comment on it.”

The claims in the suit

The lawsuit cites numerous posts on Pincus’ blog as well as on the internet.

According to the lawsuit, this past January, Pincus wrote an e-mail to Bajardi’s current employer.

The suit alleges that Pincus wrote, “Lane Bajardi is a hyper-partisan politic operative who blogs under the screen name ‘Prosbus’ and is now fomenting anti-Semitism in his latest effort to smear Hoboken’s Jewish mayor, Dawn Zimmer…I don’t think your advertisers will appreciate a voice on your airways actively engaged in spreading bigotry and intolerance in the Hoboken Community.”

In fact, Bajardi is Jewish. In the lawsuit, Bajardi denied posting anything anti-Semitic or anything attacking other ethnic or religious groups. He also said that contrary to what the letter said, he was not “Prosbus,” the handle of someone who has often criticized Zimmer on a local news web site.

The suit says, “The email also harms Mr. Barjardi’s relationship with his employer. It encourages CBS to terminate Mr. Bajardi’s employment through its threat to harm 1010Wins radio’s listenership. Mr. Bajardi’s supervisor, who has the ability to terminate Mr. Bajardi was made aware of the email. When asked by CBS to prove that Mr. Bajardi posted under the pseudonym Prosbus, Ms. Pincus never responded.”

Many of the posts that referred to the Bajardis’ personal life were posted as part of exchanges after news stories that ran on a Hoboken news website. On that site, commenters defending the Zimmer administration often tussled with two anonymous commenters criticizing the administration. The commenters who support Mayor Zimmer appeared to believe that the two anonymous critics were Bajardi and his wife, and began repeatedly responding to them as “Kim” and “Lane,” making personal attacks and mentioning personal information.

Bajardi said in the suit that he does not post on the web site in question, Hoboken Patch.

In response to a question last week about the letter, Pincus said she had a legitimate concern about Bajardi as an on-air representative of CBS Corporation and his role as a journalist and political operative.

‘Political theater’

The accused internet bloggers argued that they simply engaged in public discourse, a kind of political theater which never intended to hurt anyone.

“In general, both Horsey [Brice] and GA [Grafix Avenger] have engaged in political theater in which much of this is tongue and cheek, meant to make people laugh and think about issues,” Pincus responded by e-mail.

Pincus responded to a number of questions submitted by the Reporter, but said she could not answer others because she was still mounting a defense that involved some of the information requested. Brice did not respond to any of the questions.

On Tuesday, Brice’s blog carried an appeal for donations for the “Hoboken Free Speech Legal Defense Fund” intended to finance legal costs for all 12 defendants, according to his blog.

In their suit, the Bajardis said their livelihood depends heavily on their credibility and reputation in the community, and the suit contends that Pincus, under the pseudonym Grafix Avenger, and Brice, under the name HobokenHorse, and others posted disparaging remarks on Hoboken Patch, Galloway Patch, NJ.com (the Jersey Journal and Star Ledger’s website), as well as their own sites.

Although Pincus, Brice, and others have posted for several years, the suit quotes postings made from early June 2011 to mid July 2012 and claims that during that period, the 12 defendants caused the Bajardis injury to their reputation and their dealings with employers. The suit also charges that the posts caused emotional distress.

Although internet postings accused the Bajardis of being paid by Mason as paid political operatives, Mason said last week that this was not true.

“I never paid them,” she said. “We’re friends. They are not consultants of any kind. I’ve known them for years. Lane is a journalist. We both have an interest in journalism. We believe in many of the same things.”

The lawsuit also included an online letter to the FBI from Pincus’ blog, in which Pincus said she would like to shoot someone – an act she said was satire. The letter made a reference to the location of the Bajardis’ residence.

Pincus was asked to step down from the Zoning Board last year by Councilman Tim Occhipinti after she made the post about wanting to shoot someone. The issue became public after Pincus was visited by police. At the time, Pincus said the letter was satire and called the accusation absurd.

“The press cherry-picks that quote out-of-context, but neglects mentioning in the same letter I wrote I'd ‘use the Vulcan Death grip’ or about sharing falafels at Mamoun’s with the FBI,” she said last week. “Or the fact it was one in a long satirical series. The fact that the press omits any context is proof of media bias against bloggers.”

Will the unnamed bloggers be revealed?

The majority of the City Council (which is pro-Zimmer) voted down the move to remove Pincus from the Zoning Board.

The suit said false and defamatory comments concerning the Bajardi couple were also posted under pseudonyms Bet Mazin, KlaussennFluffer, InfortainMe, SmartyJones, BluDiamonds, JAM, Redrider765, Plywood, Davidd, ss1959, Hobbs, and others. Several other unnamed bloggers were quoted in the suit including khoboken, ThisMeansWar, HobokenLeaks, redrider765, and Jam.

One post on Patch by ThisMeansWar says, “Now what about your child? Have either of you losers EVER thought about the damage you are doing to him? … But he will be the kid who is KNOWN the second he walks through the doors of ANY schools as the progeny of you two hateful people. Children are cruel…. Stop thinking about how badly you want to hurt everyone associated with Zimmerman [sic] and reform and start thinking about how BADLY you are hurting your own child.”

Pincus said many of the remarks quoted in the suit from this site were taken out of context and were part of an ongoing dialogue that grew heated.

Pincus said that she believed that she was making these exchanges with one or both of the Bajardis. Pincus said she believed it was them because of the writing style and because after people began calling them Lane and Kim on-line, the anonymous posters did not deny being them.

Pincus’ history

Pincus also was the focus of controversy in which she was accused of using Nazi images on her blog to depict political enemies – a charge she refuted, but she eventually offered an apology to a state Jewish group. She said that the post in question was satire. Pincus, like Bajardi, Mason, and Zimmer, is Jewish.

Pincus and other bloggers have routinely alluded to Lane Bajardi as either a target of a federal investigation or a cooperating witness. In the suit, Bajardi said neither allegation was true. Several postings implied Lane Bajardi was somehow involved in the theft of emails out of City Hall – a claim he also denied in the lawsuit. A city employee was arrested for that crime last year.

Pincus said the timing of the lawsuit was questionable.

“This is a SLAPP suit against two named prominent reform bloggers and 10 John Does , plus 12 additional anonymous and unspecified ‘others,’ contained within the complaint designed to frighten reform side of the internet community, disable our blogs, and drag the mayor into it – just in time for the Labor Day mayoral race announcements,” she said.

Zimmer is up for re-election in 2013.

“This is a political dirty trick, and nothing more,” Pincus said. “This SLAPP is not about satire. This SLAPP is about icing speech on the reform blogosphere and dragging the mayor – who is irrelevant – into it.”

Brice has posted a similar comment on his blog, calling the suit a SLAPP suit, which is a lawsuit designed to use litigation to silence critics (Strategic Litigation Against Public Participation).

In 2010, Brice accused Lane Bajardi of allegedly assaulting him and taking his camera during a Board of Education candidates’ forum. Bajardi filed a counter complaint and the matter was eventually dropped.

Difference between fact and fiction

The lawsuit has the potential to become a national issue following similar suits in which courts such as in Washington State ruled against bloggers who make unsubstantiated claims. The Washington suit was based on one comment left on a site.

When asked what she would consider “going too far,” Pincus replied, “The First Amendment applies to all.”

Many of the comments quoted in the suit are still on the internet.

Bajardi declined last week to respond to questions for this story.

In the suit, he has asked for a jury trial.

According to legal sources, each of the defendants could be asked to pay $2 million in damages, so the total liability of the suit may be more than $20 million.

Both named bloggers have continued to post on their blogs. In a post on Aug. 10, Pincus referred to Bajardi as “Lane (redacted).”

As of this past weekend, when news of the suit hit the press, most of the commenters named in the suit have stopped appearing on Hoboken Patch, the news site where many of the comments about the Bajardis were left. Patch’s editor did not respond last week to a request for comment. It is unknown whether the screen names were banned.

Approximately a month ago, Patch began delaying comments on its site, holding them for several hours for review, as opposed to their past practice of allowing them to appear soon after they were submitted.

The posts between the Zimmer supporters and critics battling it out numbered in the hundreds. But after the lawsuit became public, the comments on individual stories on the site were down, in several cases, to single digits.

Al Sullivan may be reached at asullivan@hudsonreporter.com.

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assilem
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August 05, 2014
Touche CakeBoss, I have some cappuccino served up with your public opinions. :)
VoteHoboken
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August 27, 2012
I think most people get that Beth Mason is behind this whole ball of wax.

Cake Boss looks like he is one of her people too.

CakeBoss
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August 28, 2012
It is really disturbing how much you people are obsessed with Beth Mason. Your hatred of her is extreme. Pray, join a support group, find a hobby. But do something to deal with you issues. Beth Mason is not the cause of your unhappiness in life so do some soul searching and move on already. Peace be with you.
VoteHoboken
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August 29, 2012
I think most people who have paid even passing attention to the Hoboken political scene justifiably link the Bajardi's with Mason and it is fair continue to see that link as possible motivation for this legal action.

CakeBoss
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August 29, 2012
Oh what fun it is to listen to the hypocrites. Horse and GA blog all day everyday about Zimmer and scorch the earth of any who oppose Zimmer. Yet, they claim they have nothing to do with Zimmer. Yet, Bajardi and his wife are tied to Mason time and time again. Please give it a break. It is clear you morons tried to ruin the Bajardi's lives for the sick fun of it all. An utter disgrace. Save your drivel for the judge. Hey VoteHoboken I notice your screen handle is new. Do you have an old one? Is it named in the law suit?
VoteHoboken
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August 30, 2012
CakeBoss,

I am a first time poster on this or any online forum and not involved in any legal action started by the Bajardis or anyone, sorry if that does not support your paranoia.

I chose my screen name based on my very brief but highly distasteful interaction with Beth Mason and the Bajardis when they were part of the Political Action Committee, Vote Hoboken a few years back.

I dislike anyone abusing our legal system.

Your multiple posts on this subject indicate that you have more than a casual interest in the Bajardis lawsuit. Please feel free to list any previous screen names you may have and elaborate on any relationship you may have with Mason or the Bajardis.

I would also point out that you are only poster on this forum thread that has resorted to being uncivil and if you are unable or unwilling to be civil, please do not reply.

CakeBoss
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September 01, 2012
Hey Vote Hoboken I posted below that this is my first time posting on forum. You can call me a Johnny Come Lately. I am not involved with Mason or the Bajardi's in any way. However, I find it funny how grown adults misbehaved on the internet and now want to claim they are being SLAPP suited. They called a man's job, said to call DYFUS on him, and called his wife a whore (read the lawsuit above for more).

Yet, they claim they are being mistreated because someone finally had the testicular fortitude to sue them. They are getting what they deserve. Your statement that you had a less than pleasant experience with Mason and the Bajardi's "few years back" proves my point. All these years later you are still carrying ill will for them. Get over it, enjoy the rest of the summer, and move on in life. Enough is enough with the anger dude. Life is too short.
assilem
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August 05, 2014
So Zimmerites believe there are two types of people in town. Wow, that really simplifies life. There are the all knowing fact challenged Koolaid-drinkers and then everyone else MUST being demonized.

There are no logical and independent thinkers that formulate opinions that are their own. What a little bubble Hoboken lives in.
wiskeytango
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August 24, 2012
I think the bess way to stay out of a law soot would be to call cakeboss not-Lane the not-ahole. That way he won't have you arrested. I like not-Lane the not-ahole though especial when he brings rheingolds under the bridge (hintyhinty) go yanks.
CakeBoss
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August 25, 2012
Yeah this post makes you look like a complete scholar. You should start reading your stuff at coffee houses.
WESTY
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August 22, 2012
A STRATRGIC LAWSUIT AGAINST PUBLIC PARTICIPATION (SLAPP) is a lawsuit that is intended to censor, intimidate and censor critics by burdening them with the cost of a legal defense until the abandon the criticism or opposition.

The typical SLAPP plantiff does not expect to win the lawsuit. The plantiff's goals are accomplished if the defendent succumbs to fear, intimidation and mounting legal costs or simple exhaustion and abandons the criticism. A SLAPP suit may also intimidate others from participating in the debate. A SLAPP suit is often preceeded by a legal threat.......

Wikipedia

CakeBoss
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August 23, 2012
Westy are you named in the lawsuit under this screen handle or any other screen handle that you use on this site or any other site?

If so you should not be giving the impressions in your posts that you are an objective party when discussing this matter.

WESTY
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August 22, 2012
CakeBoss are you Buddy Valastro or in any way connected to Carlo's Bakery ?

If not I think you should not be giving that impression with your posts.
CakeBoss
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August 23, 2012
No I am not Buddy Valastro. I am a long-time customer and fan of the bakery. It brings much needed positive attention to our community.
CakeBoss
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August 24, 2012
You still didn't answer Westy are you named in the suit under this screen handle or any other screen handle that you may use on other websites?

Stop hiding from the question. It is a simple yes or no.

CakeBoss
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August 21, 2012
For someone who claims to have lived here since the sixties and seventies you sound quite naive claiming the discourse was changed by Mason's run for Mayor.

Things were quite ugly when Roberts ran against Russo and when Marsh ran against Roberts.

And for that matter many of Zimmer's bloggers were quite negative when she ran against Campos for the 4th Ward seat. Not that Campos was a saint either. He was a self centered stodge who deserved to lose.

Never recalled getting an image that depicted Zimmer as a guerrilla either. However, Mason and Zimmer were candidates for office. The Bajardi's child is not. The story notes he or she is a toddler.

Blaming Mason for the bad behavior of bloggers who support the Mayor is a stretch. Zimmer should denounce their behavior. She is supposed the be the leader of our City.

Perhaps you should have a biscotti and realize how foolish it is to have the same standards for grown women who ran for office as you do for a toddler.

http://www.carlosbakery.com/SweetTreats/Cookies.php

JosephGoebbels
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August 22, 2012
I really like the "threatened child" angle you invented! Keep working that. People will assume you wouldn't say something that vile and inflammatory if it weren't true even though the article they just read doesn't support it. You correctly assume that these readers won't go to Patch and discover that Bajardi & Cardinal were actually being criticized for hurting their child by hurting the schools ( http://hoboken.patch.com/articles/the-state-of-the-city-in-numbers#comment_2319287 )

These sheep won't even ask themselves how quickly someone would get permanently banned from Patch or wherever for threatening a child. Good stuff! I really, really like your style. I'm honored that you have taken my advice on telling The Big Lie to heart.

I also completely agree with your instinct to try the case on the blogs as much as possible. Court is much more sober and fact-based. This is your chance to completely make stuff up. Go for it, kid! We're all rooting for you way down here.
WESTY
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August 22, 2012
You can not discuss the tone of Hoboken's blogesphere without discussing Hoboken411 which has been continually linked to Councilwoman Mason and her supporters.

CakeBoss
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August 23, 2012
Except if you read the story above, both Bajardi and Cardinal refute claims they were posting on Patch. Their toddler and their parenting of him or her is attacked when they weren't posting on Patch. So they were being wrongly criticized.

Many members of the public have been critical of the Hoboken School System does that mean someone should call the Division of Youth and Family Services on them as urged to do so by GA on Hoboken Patch?

There have been many claims made about this being called a so-called SLAPP suit. Is urging someone to call the Division of Youth and Family Services not meant to censor and intimidate critics of the BOE and School Board?

CakeBoss
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August 23, 2012
For someone who seems so concerned with calling people operatives and talking about ELEC reports, why was Pincus never on Kids First's ELEC reports? Below they thank her for serving as their graphic designer.

Do Board of Education members defend the things said by Pincus and others?

Are any of the BOE members any of the screen handles named in the lawsuit? Fair question that should be asked!

Dear Editor:

Please come to the reorganization meeting April 28th at 7 pm as Maureen, Ruthy and I get sworn in and begin to get down to business. We look forward to your continued support and involvement as we work to make our schools the best they can possibly be. We’d like to thank the many friends, neighbors and family members who worked so hard, for a cause they believed in so much: our children's education. We’re excited to have the opportunity to support our students, teachers and the rest of our dedicated staff and look forward to working with the new board.

We would like to give a big thank you to our wonderful campaign manager, Liz Mulholland, who made everything possible; our treasurer, Kai Rebane; our graphic designer, Nancy Pincus; Jan Wilson, who coordinated our letter writing campaign; Greg Bond, our website designer; Jean Marie Mitchell for our beautiful buttons and tee's; Irene Sobolov, Felicia RubinoDrasheff, Liz Markevitch, Carrie Phillips and Barbara Bravo for all their canvassing and getting the word out; Lauren Blumenfeld for her volunteer coordination; Frances Jennings for scheduling our house parties; Rachel Goldberg for organizing the voter id's and call nights; Mac Hartshorn for our photographs; the Rev. Tony Forbes for introducing us to his friends/neighbors; our wonderful children, Gabriela Gross, Jesse McAllister, Timothy Koppisch and Julia Koppisch, and everyone else who put the time in. We must also mention Dawn Zimmer and her army of volunteers, staff and council candidates, Carol Marsh, Ravi Bhalla, and Dave Mello, for their early support and especially these last few days for putting their own campaign to the side and contributing so much to this decisive victory. And extra special thanks go out to our now fellow Board Trustees Carrie Gilliard and Rose Markle for being part of every Kids First campaign since we started and for their tireless efforts on the board.

For everyone who sent or read and responded to an email blast, came to an event, wore a button or tee shirt, hung a poster, wrote a check, or just quietly voted Kids First – Thank You. And now, after the ballots are counted, it’s time to go to work.

See you all this Tuesday, 7pm at 1115 Clinton Street. We're ready to get started.

Theresa Minutillo

Maureen Sullivan

Ruth McAllister

http://www.hudsonreporter.com/view/full_story/2442263/article-Thank-you--Hoboken--for-giving-us-a-chance-to-put-Kids-First?

Dear Editor:

We would like to thank everyone in the community who came forwarded and voted for the Kids First team in the recent Board of Education election on April 20th. We would also like to thank the many friends, neighbors, family members and sometimes total strangers who worked so hard for something they believed in…..the importance of the education of the children of Hoboken.

At the risk of leaving someone out, we would like to offer a few specific thank you's. A huge thanks to our hard working campaign manager Liz Mulholland who kept everything moving, our treasurer Bill Tobias, our graphic designer Nancy Pincus, Deirdre Wall for our letter writing campaign, Greg Bond for his work on our website, Francis Jennings for coordinating our events, Mac Hartshorn for his amazing photography and to all those who generously opened their house and wallets to us once again. A big, sweeping thanks to everyone who told a friend, handed out materials and introduced us to their neighbors! Thank you also to our husbands, wives and children for their unwavering support and keeping the home fires burning while we attended the many after hour meetings, events and forums.

We would also like to thank Mayor Dawn Zimmer and Councilpersons Marsh, Bhalla, Mello, Lenz and Cunningham for their support of us as candidates and their belief in our ability to continue the positive changes to the Hoboken Board of Education.

So….to everyone who supported us publicly, privately, loudly and softly….thank you!

We look forward to getting to work for the children of Hoboken!

Rose Marie Markle

Jean Marie Mitchell

Leon Gold

Irene Sobolov

http://www.hudsonreporter.com/view/full_story/7432547/article-Thank-you-Hoboken-?

HobokenLeaks
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August 24, 2012
Cakeboss now? Ok, whatever.

GA has logged 100s if not 1000s of hours of free work because it was the right thing to do. Not everyone gets paid to vote, believe it or not. We all understand that something like simply doing the right thing for free is completely beyond your comprehension.

However, I believe she does appear on the last ELEC report for kids first. Not that you should concern yourself with facts.

We were all very relieved to hear that the Bajardis are not political operatives and don't post on blogs. Phew!
CakeBoss
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August 24, 2012
Yes Cake Boss is my favorite treat. A very close second are cadbury bars. You like cadbury bars westy? I especially like cadbury eggs. They usually come out right before Easter, just in time to make st pats fun. I usually buy a new dress from Hobbs Designer before Easter too. It is a wonderful time of year, don't you think?

This is my only screen handle, you can call me a johnny come lately I guess. But I am here now so lets discuss your post shall we?

Back to Pincus she is not on any ELEC reports that I can see. Perhaps you can inform me of the date of the report she appears on and I will send you a cadbury bar as an apology.

As for her 1000s of hours of free work does that include telling people they suck as parents and asking someone to call the Division of Youth and Family Services on them? Or as the story talks about putting people in punch bowl with floating turds?

Would love to see that on ELEC! Reason for expense "turds design"! Starting to get the feeling Pincus is being defended because she knows too much and it would make too many people uncomfortable if she was peeing in the tent instead of out of the tent.

And by the way you still didn't answer my question, are you any of the screen names in the law suit?
HobokenLeaks
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August 24, 2012
Cadbury Bars? You mean Kim Cardinal's old screen name and the treat she once passed out at city council? Make sure you buy some on the way home. They're pretty obscure but we're sure you know how to find them.

Yes you're totally brand new! Everyone can see that.

We also very relieved to hear that the Bajardis are not political operatives and don't post on blogs. Phew times two!

CakeBoss
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August 25, 2012
You think this makes Zimmer look good? Tearing people down to make her look good isn't impressive. Anyone can look tall standing next to a pile of debris.
MarkNYC
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August 20, 2012
I believe that much of the ugliness we're seeing in Hoboken politics, such as described in this story, is a direct result of the very ugly style of campaigning introduced by Ms. Mason when she was running for Mayor. I moved to Hoboken about six years ago, though not entirely as a newbie since I spent a number of years here in the late sixties and early seventies while attending graduate school at Stevens Institute. Of course, things have changed enormously in this town during the past forty years. When I first participated in the Mayoralty election after coming here, I was undecided between choosing Mason or Zimmer, though I was leaning towards the former since on paper she looked more experienced. Then I received Ms. Mason's ugly campaign blurb- you know, the one with a picture of Ms. Zimmer looking like some freak gorilla or other such animal. Together with the savage commentary accompanying this ugliness, my reaction was that it was impossible to vote for someone who would allow such campaign literature to be sent out under her name. This impression was only reinforced when I saw some of her subsequent literature in that contest. Since then, I don't think Ms.Mason has ever relented in the ugly style she employs for campaigning or public discourse. So it is not at all surprising to me that this has elicited such virulent reactions from members of this community, who are not just going to allow her and her supporters to get free passes on their obnoxious style of dissent. It may very well be that the responses of some of Ms. Masons opponents have gotten out of hand, though on the face of it, it seems that one would have to go a long way to get around the First Amendment on such matters, particularly when the politics in this town has become so virulent. But I for one directly attribute much of this bad blood to Ms. Mason's deplorable style and manner of engaging in political rhetoric. Personally, I wish she would just take her ambitions and personality to some other town in NJ and leave the rest of us alone.
CakeBoss
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August 21, 2012
So since you didn't like a mailer that calls for an all out attack on someone including threats to his or her livelihood and toddler? Are children fair game in politics now? What kind of world are we living in here?

Perhaps you haven't lived here long enough, but in Hoboken kids are off limits, in elections, neighborhood disputes and otherwise. If the Russo or Roberts administration went after a "reformer's" kids there would have been hell to pay from the same people justifying this nonsense.

And besides the story claims these attacks have nothing to do with the Mayor, doesn't it?

At least we have good lobster tails to go with this hypocrisy.

http://www.carlosbakery.com/SweetTreats/Pastries.php

MarkNYC
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August 21, 2012
As stated above, some of the rhetoric in this town may very well have gotten out of hand. If in fact peoples children have been brought into this ugliness, then that is entirely out of bounds and presumably will be addressed in the lawsuit. For my part, I don't much care about the labels being used to characterize people, such as "reformer" or otherwise. My point, which I still hold to, is that the tone and tenor for much of this was set by Ms. Mason in her original Mayoralty campaign, and she therefore bears responsibility. I may have been living here for only six years now, but did spend many years in Hoboken during the sixties and seventies while attending school. Since the "CakeBoss" appears to be relatively young, at least by appearance on TV, I would assume he was still in his knickers back then, if not just a gleam in his father's eyes.
Grafix_Avenger
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August 19, 2012
There are too many errors in this disgraceful jaundiced journalism to count. So I'll pick the lowest-hanging fruit.

"Pincus was appointed by the City Council majority that is allied with Zimmer."

NO (for the hundredth time). Pincus was appointed UNANIMOUSLY by the City Council, as in 9-0. Here's WHO voted for Pincus:

Russo

Giacci

Mason

Castellano

Bhalla

Marsh

Mello

Cunningham

Lenz

As for the alleged "email" sent about "political theater"- where'd you dig THAT up? The only remarks submitted for this piece were responses to several questions from Al Sullivan. That's ALL. So to pull an old email response to ANOTHER topic and graft it out-of-context is not only unethical, it shows your contempt for truth and honest reporting.

No wonder all your paper is good for is a trash can liner (or a cat box walk-off mat). Nice hatchet job.

Folks, if you want to read about the swamp-bottm ETHICS of this news-tabloid, here is what they tried to do to Roman Brice and myself last April. True story.

http://grafixavenger.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-coming-hr-hatchet-piece.html

CakeBoss
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August 19, 2012
Council members who voted to allow Pincus to stay on the board after saying she has always wanted to shoot someone & being questioned by police for it:

Bhalla

Marsh

Mello

Cunningham

Giatinno

You drag someone's kid into a debate and you want to talk swamp-bottom ethics?

Oh goodness I am laughing so hard at you it hurts!

At least we have good conolli's to go with this theater!

http://www.carlosbakery.com/SweetTreats/Pastries.php