Hoboken mayor says other bids for hospital weren't good enough; JCMC declines to comment
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HOBOKEN -- As a deal to sell Hoboken's city-owned hospital to a private bidder hangs in limbo this week, Mayor Dawn Zimmer has responded to critics who said that the mayor should have considered other bidders and has kept the process too closed to public scrutiny.

The city is hoping to sell the hospital to HUMC Holdco, a company that co-owns Bayonne Medical Center. But the deal hinges on the hospital’s operator reaching a bankruptcy settlement with various creditors. Negotiations continued in court this week, but a hearing has been postponed to Oct. 4.

As the deal has hit rough spots, two other potential bidders have said they would still like to buy the facility, and recently made their bids public.

On Wednesday, Zimmer released the details of a bid to buy the hospital submitted by P3 of Connecticut, as well as one submitted by a group from Jersey City Medical Center. Zimmer simultaneously sent out an email to news sites and blogs, saying those bids weren't as good as the one from Holdco.

“JCMC's involvement was limited to its agreement to lease a portion of the facility,” Zimmer said of the JCMC bid. “They would maintain only some of the services currently provided by HUMC. The bid was for a for profit development project that would create a commercial building characterized as a medical mall that would lease space to healthcare related businesses. In order to facilitate this commercial development, a redevelopment zone would have to be created and payments in lieu of taxes would have to be agreed upon.”

The JCMC bid was dependent upon state stabilization funds, redevelopment bonds, tax credits, and a financial partner, according to the bid, which was provided to The Reporter.

Zimmer also said the P3 proposal was not better than Holdco’s.

“Their initial proposal was only for the management of the hospital, not for its purchase,” Zimmer said. “This proposal was not considered because we were seeking to sell the hospital not hire a new manager. It was, however, consistent with P3's experience given that they are a consulting firm that, to best of my knowledge, has never owned and operated a hospital. They subsequently modified their bid to include an actual purchase offer.”

P3 has said they would not have any layoffs and would maintain the facility as a non-profit.

Officials from Jersey City Medical Center said on Wednesday that they would not respond to the mayor's statement at this time.

The Hoboken Municipal Authority received six qualified bids to buy the hospital. While three of the qualified bidders (P3, Holdco, and JCMC) are now in the public eye, there are still three bids which remain private. The authority and the bidders agreed to a non-disclosure agreement when the proposals were issued, but since JCMC and P3 made their bids public, Zimmer issued comments. The bids can be read on the city website.

For more, keep reading HudsonReporter.com. -- Ray Smith

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Smartyjones
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October 03, 2011
Oh so you want to know more about my sources minion?

No city officials are involved in any way.

I'm prepared to testify when called. Mile Square View was one of the targets of the Data Theft Ring.

So MSV is really looking forward to it and signed like over 100 other Hoboken residents for the "We Love the FBI in Hoboken" Facebook page.

How about you?
Barno11
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October 02, 2011
just curious how you would know the details of an fbi investigation that only top city officials have talked about in closed session. what happened to zimmers gag order that you praised so much? who is it that is leaking this info to zimmjers bloggers and shouldnt you turn that person in?
Smartyjones
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October 02, 2011
No research required, the footage of Beth Mason getting pwned by Gov. Chris Christie came from Mile Square View's original footage of the event.

Sorry wrong again minion. Maybe you can spin that and your other propaganda over at Mason411 where no one can disagree with it.

So get snapping on it or your Mason severance package will get cut faster than the FBI knock on the door that's most assuredly coming.

Could be your last chance to pump out your vitriol of lies on Hoboken411 and say they're coming for Zimmer (again). LOL

Happy Nightmares minon!
Barno11
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October 02, 2011
you spent all that time doing research to find more ways to make christie look good? that time could have been better spent finding ways to improve situations instead of getting on your knees for the gov. i wonder how you feel about all the charities that lost aid because of his budget this year. maybe later you and your countess in city hall and the gov can all have a smooch and a couple of pork rolls together and laugh at the needy.
Smartyjones
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October 02, 2011
Well 'bokenbart bless your little black coal heart for caring about the MSV readership. Guess some of the credit should go to you and your fascist censorship loving cohort on Hoboken411.

Did you ever think all that pathological lying would lead to so many people going elsewhere just to get the truth?

In the interim, back to the hospital. MSV is digging into its archives on Chris Christie's big trip on tax reform to Hoboken in May of last year and putting up a video you and your counte$$ will find very interesting.

It's about the Governor's role in aiding hospitals in NJ:

http://www.hobokenhorse.com/2011/10/rewind-gov-christie-on-state-hospital.html

Enjoy minion!
InfotainMe
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October 02, 2011
I only know the smartyjones posts to be smarty, barno. I thought that's what you were talking about. Forgive me if I don't try to trace your shrieking to its sources. I don't think the source matters as much as the desire to shriek in any event. This is all high school crap anyway. I thought we might spend a few minutes on the hospital that is sitting atop the guillotine blade over our collective necks. But I guess not.

At least we agree P3 is a non-starter. Why don't you do us all a favor and tell Beth. She'll take it better from you.
Barno11
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October 02, 2011
'thousands' of readers? you really ARE perry in disguise!
Smartyjones
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October 02, 2011
Barno noise. Well at least you show your true intent. Not worth any dialogue, folks know where to find Da Horsey and the thousands of readers who value free speech day in and day out, an open exchange of ideas and a government free from corruption.

At Mile Square View, we call it a start.

http://milesquareview.com

As for Ray, you don't speak for him. When he and I laugh about your charge, you'll be the last to know.

Okay, time for you to move on to screen name 1001.
Barno11
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October 01, 2011
glad you admitted that one of those screen names (probably more) is horse! i knew it anyway though.

horse, glad to hear you took a stand on eminent domain. the point about p3 is that you are pretty much hoboken411, only zimmer version. i dont mind if thats what you want to be.. but the fact that you and dancingrudy keep coming here to try to bully ray into being more like your site (star ledger too) is disgusting. are real media are smart enough to let the public decide and when they write quick internet posts or let the public have information, it is not only designed to make zimmer (or beth) look good like it is when you do it.
Smartyjones
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October 01, 2011
Barno, I've heard about your allegations. You accused me of posting a comment you found disagreeable, but whoever posted that comic genius is not me. I've printed disagreements with the mayor and most recently made clear my difference on eminent domain. It was stated clearly as others.

As for P3's claim,this is part and parcel of a pattern they have repeated in many places in multiple bids - all failed. If Beth Mason and her fascist loving website Hoboken411, where censorship is the normal course of operation wish to rehash P3's bid fine. I referenced the story and that's sufficient.

The bids submitted from 2010 are long past. The winner Holdco was announced in January 2011. There's no need to open the City of Hoboken to a lawsuit reconsidering the second and third tier bids.

The best bid won and the people in Hoboken who served deciding unanimously have my eternal gratitude and respect for their noble efforts in finding and identifying one bidder who met ALL the established criteria.

MSV is focused on the substance of the CURRENT hospital's sale status - staving off its closure.

With the finish line in sight, the Beth Russo hydra can yell and scream all it wants and conspire with P3 to undermine Holdco, but it just noise.

What matters is seeing the resolution of the outstanding issues on the sale of Hoboken University Medical Center.

InfotainMe
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October 01, 2011
I'm not responsible for whether or when Smarty replies to you, Barno11. Seems like a matter of timing at this point anyway. P3 has done nothing meaningful to improve their standing. They are trying to accomplish through the media what they were unable to do with a checkbook. If you're buying this face-saving, ass-covering gesture, that's your issue.

I gather you have nothing to say about the articles which demonstrate that this is simply how P3 rolls. If you did, you would have done so, given your desire to say anything and grasp any straw to make the deal look bad.

So be it. Your silence is meaningful under the circumstances. Admitting P3 are a poor choice when the city is on the hook for $52mm would be more meaningful, but no one expects graceful gestures from you anymore.
Barno11
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October 01, 2011
info, why are you so sensitive about my questions that you immediately try to deflect by asking a different question rather then answering? you seem confused, so i'll talk real slow. horse hasnt printed anything critical of the mayor in a year. and did njot print the p3 proposal when it came out. the mayors release sure went up the same day. if he is a mouthpiece for her then just say so.

also, it was your friend who invoked a homophobic response so is that how the mayor's people all feel or are you giong to condemn that?
InfotainMe
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October 01, 2011
And when, Barno11, are you planning to comment on P3's now established pattern of unsecured funding? http://www.northjersey.com/zzzz-Archived/2news/Med_center_school_win_Pascack_bid.html

It's quite simple: we can't afford to hope their ship comes in any more than Pascack Valley could when they disqualified the vapor funding offer. Establishing a pattern he now follows, "Paradigm's president, Geoffrey Teed, has said he will boost his bid significantly if given more time." http://www.northjersey.com/Hospital_auction_put_off_for_month.html?c=y&page=1

It is charitable to even call P3's offer a "bid".

With this many IDs going on the various sites, you've had ample opportunity to say something/anything about this inconvenient truth. But I guess your predictable descent into character assassination tells us all we need to know.

You have no answer for it and are changing the subject to matters you feel more comfortable discussing, eg, cheesy innuendo. Well, at least that shows that you recognize there IS no answer. I believe the professionals call that "proof that he isn't too far gone."
Barno11
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September 30, 2011
ahoy horse! guess i touched a nerve. why the homophobia? i didn't realize you were predujiced in additiojn to just being biased and ignorant. why do you mention not liking girls, when you are 40 and unmarried? one would think that this sort of accusation wouldn't come for you and your friends no matter how you meant it, because im sure it has been unfairly used against you. i would not say something like that so its too bad you and your friends would do so. in any case maybe you will answer legitimate questions:

why didn't you print p3's response on thursday? and why don't you ever criticize city hall ever ever?

respond with more vitriol if you have things to hide or maybe someone can answer these questions.
wiskeytango
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September 30, 2011
Hey Laney, I like that name barno cuz it's like Barbra. that reminds me were you in the navy? coulda sworn you were. I don't like girls either same as you. When is pervy gonna put a picture of you in shorts on his classy site? See you under the bridge. Bring lotsa Rheingolds. I bet we both fit in one shopping cart go Yanks!
Barno11
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September 29, 2011
Ray how dare you get the other side of a story from p3 when these people have the potentilal to have a different opinion from the mayor? Why cant you be more like the Zimmerista blogs. Horse waits all day for a press release from the mayor and then posts it with a bunch of zimmer spin at the end and never makes phone calls or questions how there could even be a bit of another side, its much quicker!! The Pulizer winning Star Leger is even worse! (see the horse blog for why.) horse blog hasnt asked a single question or written a single thing against the mayor in over a year. refused to write about the campaign contributions to holdco for weeks. ray, you wrote about both holdco and ramos . reporter and star ledger, please stop putting the facts out there for the public to decide. publishing your own opinions is easier so

listen to DANCINGRUDY and HOBOKEN87 and the other alias every time they try to intimidate you because that what real reformers do. horse blog will never print p3's letter until he can get zimmer spin to refute it.
lincolnlogger
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September 28, 2011
So, Beth Mason is caught in yet another lie, that there were two other viable bidders (CHA/JCMC and P3). And those who for some reason don't trust the thorough and confidential bid process cry for transparency.

Now they get exactly what they didn't want: proof to the world that the bids they were trumpeting did NOT meet the city's requirements, and would have cost the city millions of extra dollars.

The Mayor has done her job, making the best of a bad situation, one that was further complicated and threatened by Mason and Russo who put their political agendas ahead of doing what is best for the city. The fact is they risked closing the hospital in a incredibly misguided attempt to make the mayor look bad. Beth Mason has been doing everything she can to sabotage this deal in anyway possible. Appleseed. Conspiring with the Nurse's Union (against what was good for the union) to muck up the process. And Mason, Russo, Castellano, and Occhipinti are all guilty of voting to kill the hospital, flushing away 1300 jobs, and substantially raising our taxes. Without the Governor's intervention, that would have thrown our city into financial ruin.

As a side note, it's a shame that the "news service" can't be bothered to report all the facts, and post the Mayor's memo in full. (Or at the very least, links to the full text). Disgraceful oversight, in my opinion. The facts are laid out in a way that makes it clear that neither of the bids Mason and Russo wanted were going to serve our city well.
Hobo87
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September 28, 2011
Mayor Zimmer 'says' the other bids 'weren't good enough'? That's the advantage of the internet age. Zimmer released the actual bids. They are on Hoboken Horse's site. You, Ray Smith, have them too. You can read them and report whether they look like comparable bids to Holdco. Read them, obviously they don't. It's not a matter of 'Zimmer says', and 'JCMC won't comment'. It's right in the bid that JCMC's deal relied on manna from heaven in the form of several $10mils of public money they hadn't gotten yet and still left Hoboken on the hook for significant debt, when the Holdco deal does not. And P3's 'financing' was a letter from a financial institution saying they'd consider lending after the hospital's condition was stabilized. Zimmer was being kind in calling it 'ridiculous' to characterize that situation as 'having financing'.

But you have all that info too, and didn't report it. You and your 'newspaper' are a joke.
JosephGoebbels
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September 28, 2011
Hey ConvenientPolitics! Who loves ya baby! Keep piling it on, my most treasured apprentice. Facts are for sissies. As I always say, "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." But I've never seen anyone take it to heart the way you do. You give me goose bumps!

I couldn't be more proud of any of my disciples than I am of you.

Felicitations and salutations from your mentor.
WESTY
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September 28, 2011
Councilwoman Mason lied.

A series of premeditated and calculated lies.

From now on everything she says should and will be viewed as a lie.

Council Russo and Castellano have reached that milestone long ago and Councilman Occhipinti frankly never had any credibility.